Does brand make a difference

[olderthandirt]

So will a Colt gold cup shoot more accurate then a Taurus,,, or is it all in the hands of the shooter?

[Berserker]

Dunno. I am not against cheap guns, but I don't own any, except for the failed Davis Derringer I got. Also depends what you want to do with it. If I am in the mood the buy a gun, and I see a cheap one, which will allows me to have enought money, I might.

For carry, I think twice though.

[GEO]

I dunno if a new taurus shoots better than an old GOLD GUP.

but I can tell you a thing or two about the matter...and one thing is a taurus aint no GOLD CUP...never was and never will be.

that aside...the difference IS IN the hand of the beholder....

as for me...I know the GOLD CUP can out shoot them all.

and I got the proof.


GEO :eagerness:

[dvmcmr]

Old guns versus new, maybe in some cases they'll shoot better, the gold cup is a good example. New guns to new guns, It pretty much lies in the shotters hands these days. Everyone uses the same manufacturing techniques these days so there's little difference in the actual makeup of a gun.

That's not to say a $400 rifle will shoot the same as a $1000 rifle, but things being equal, things are pretty equal in terms of new firearms.

Quality control may be a different matter though.

[bigweatherby]

I think brand does make a difference. However, every brand can turn out a lemon and sometimes less expensive guns can shoot great. You just have to hedge your bets though and go with the best you can.

[Berserker]

At what point do you say, the can shoots better then I can? I am looking for a bolt for a new hunter, and wondering this. Speaking from bowels, I think it happens pretty quick. Scope might make more difference, even then 1/2" or 1", may not matter or may simply be the shooter. Not hunting on shooting range with a rest.

[dvmcmr]

For hunting any of the new "entry level" rifles will work jusy fine and are typically more accurate than will ever be needed at normal deer hunting ranges.

Go beyond 100- 150 yards and it starts to make a difference.

[GEO]

davemigo--can you provide examples of entry level or the other?

I wanna make sure I aint shootin too far with the wrong rifle.... lol.


GEO

[dvmcmr]

The Marlin X7, Savage Axis, Remington 770, Mossberg Atra.......

Some shoot just as well as the remington 700's and the like, but on average the higher end rifles do shoot slightly better.

For the reocrd, my experince with the Marlin and the Savage is that they shoot pretty well.

[Berserker]

Looking for a bolt riflle, for a new adult deer hunter this year. Was leaning towards a used Remington 700. But was also looking at Savages. I know nothing of Savages, price seems decent. There are alot there. People don't brag about them, but I don't hear them complain either.

It is hard to buy for someone, if you don't if they will stick with it. With a kid I think you have better chance then with an adult who just decides he wants to try it.

[dvmcmr]

A 700 is a pricey piece for someone who is just starting and you don't know if they are going to stick with it.
Even a decent used one is going to be 5-6 bills with a scope.

[Luvs2Play]

I like the cheap Savages, the 110 is a great entry level gun that is accurate enough to not worry about taking the shot.

[Berserker]

I am leaning towards Savage. It is for the GF's son.

[Luvs2Play]

I love my 110, and I guess the accu trigger makes them even better. I don't think you would be upset with the purchase except that the GF's son might just outshoot you! Might just have to buy two of them!

[Berserker]

Cabelas has Savages on sale, about $50 off. Not sure how they compare to other places normal price.

I have brought this up to GF, at some point all you can do is bring it up a couple times.

I did also see a Marlin 30-30 with scope, for $300 local. But with all her knowledge of guns, she didn't like it.

[dvmcmr]

The 110 is now pretty much the Axis unless you get a used actual 110.

The Marlin X7 is a little better gun for about the same price for a new one.

The stock on the Axis kinda sucks, but it still shoots pretty well for a $400 rifle. (with scope)

[Berserker]

Emailed a guy about Remington 770, busnell scope, $300 Sucks 100 miles away. Right price.

[dvmcmr]

I can buy a new 770 .308 with a bushnell scope here for $353.92, all costs included.
The .243 is on sale for $10 cheaper.
Gallery of guns. Ships to your local dealer.

[Berserker]

Cabelas has it $300. Which seems to me to be damn good price for a gun and some kind of scope. Glad I didn't buy it. I told the guy I had to wait until Friday. He email this morning. So I said Cabelas has it for $300.

[melonhead]

the Ruger American is a very accurate rifle at a very economic price. we are talking uner $400 for a brand new rifle. Ruger and Savage are able to produce low cost accurate bolt rifles using a barrel nut. The purist do not like this as it looks "ugly" to some.

Any new bolt rifle from Ruger, Savage, Remington, Winchester, Browning, T&C, etc are all far more accurate than needed for hunting. Most will shoot MOA right out of the box, and all can be made to do so pretty dang easily.

Its all in what you want to spend and what features you want. I prefer the Remington M700, WInchester M70, and the Ruger M77 Hawkeye, but thats just me.

[dvmcmr]

Having a low end Marlin bolt, a low end savage bolt, and many others to compare them against, the new, starter rifles are sure hard to beat when it comes to cost vs accuracy.

They've all done a good job bringing affordability to the masses of shooters that don't have a fistful of dollars to spend.

[Berserker]

Any new bolt rifle from Ruger, Savage, Remington, Winchester, Browning, T&C, etc are all far more accurate than needed for hunting. .

I believe this to be true. Other then far shots, an inch won't matter that much, and the shooter is probably more a factor. Not that I have shot all these guns, to really know.

[GEO]

Does brand make a difference

So will a Colt gold cup shoot more accurate then a Taurus,,, or is it all in the hands of the shooter?


back to the original question.

yes--brand makes a difference.

and for anyone that doesn't think so I will happily trade you charters and rossis for your Smiths and Colts.

thank you in advance.


GEO

[olderthandirt]

back to the original question.

yes--brand makes a difference.

and for anyone that doesn't think so I will happily trade you charters and rossis for your Smiths and Colts.

thank you in advance




GEO


......

Let me pick out the shootters and you have a bet.

Ill send you the addy to send the guns..........

[Phantom9]

For a newbie on a budget like me this is probably one of the greatest questions: "Does brand make a difference?" I mean... "Why should I pay more money for A or B if C seems to work just fine" type of thing. I've been reading a lot of reviews about pistols lately since I'll be buying my first one soon. One thing that I've noticed so far is that some people love some brands while others hate it. It seems to me like personal taste comes to play a huge role in regards to that. After all, what makes a gun good or bad? Based on my almost inexistent knowledge about them I dare to say (forgive me for stepping our of my ignorance guys) that at the end it all seems to come down to this: Is it reliable? Is it accurate? Does it fit you? Is that your best option on that price range? If you answer yes to those questions could you go wrong with that particular brand? See guys? I need your advice! :)

[Luvs2Play]

Seems a lot of people don't like Glock, but nearly every one of those people admit they are reliable and work. Still they hate them. They are ugly, plastic, and ugly. They are a great value and a lot of them have been sold. They are a tool that is always ready to use. Some like the expensive name brand guns, most of the time it's an ego thing, and most of the time they are good well built guns. Every gun manufacturer has haters, sometimes because of personal experience, but most of the time it's because they own something else and think it's the best.

Getting you first gun is going to be a challenge because even within the price range you have, there are a lot of choices. More than likely, whatever you choose is going to last long enough to pass to future generations, so I wouldn't worry about buying the most expensive gun.

Ruger makes a lot of good 9mm defense semi automatics and revolvers for under $500, I personally think that for the money they are a good place to start. I know that Volusionator bought a SR9c and made some vids with it. He was doing really good with it.

[Berserker]

My next semi auto will be a Glock. I want to see if they are as good as people say, I think they will be. I don't care that it is polymer. Technology advances.

[dvmcmr]

Ahh, the chevy, ford, dodge question.

There are good and bad models from any manufacturer and some are just plain lemons.

That said, it is ALL about dependability, accuracy, and what fits your hands and pocket book.

The higher end guns, no matter what action type, do have some advantages. Better fit, means a little better accuracy. Better finish makes them look nicer.
Better warranties in some cases, and more options that some prefer.

That said, my main carry gun is a taurus 605. It is a stainless snubby .357 revolver that is plenty accurate, reliable, and comfortable for it's purpose.
It carries well, conceals reasonably well, and doesn't cost an arm and leg to buy.
Many people dislike the taurus brand. Many hate it. I don't care. It works well and does it's job.

In the past I owned a S&W model 41 .22 caliber semi auto target handgun. A damn fine shooter, accurate as hell, and it fit the hand like a glove.
Now a Ruger MKIII 22/45 fits that bill for half the cost or less. It shoots well, is reliable, and keeps me in practice. That's it's purpose.
The model 41 was used for competing a little back in the day, so the extra cost was warrented. Today I don't have the same uses.

Buy what makes sense, but don't buy junk. There are of course some junk guns out there.

[melonhead]

Actually, I had a Glock 36 that was very unreliable. FTE the second to last round out of every mag I tried - 10 in total. I was not "limp wristing" and have other small 45's that I shoot with out a problem. I have a Kahr CW 45 that has never given me an issue. Friends also shot this 36 with the same result.

This was the only Glock I owned and am in no big hurry to try another one out.

[Berserker]

I am new to semi autos, I am revolver man by faith. I bought a Glock 19, 9mm, and has shot great. I am able to shoot very accurate with it, but lately I have been shooting snubs, so not apples and oranges.

I do wonder about semi autos, how do you know when the magazine is wore out or the main spring, when you are dead?

[dvmcmr]

Actually, I had a Glock 36 that was very unreliable. FTE the second to last round out of every mag I tried - 10 in total. I was not "limp wristing" and have other small 45's that I shoot with out a problem. I have a Kahr CW 45 that has never given me an issue. Friends also shot this 36 with the same result.

This was the only Glock I owned and am in no big hurry to try another one out.

Sounds like glock had some bad mag springs.

[Wag]

Various brands are definitely better than others, however, if you can't shoot, no improvement in the brand is going to help you.

Always be sure you're doing it right before you waste money on changes in hardware or ammo.

--Wag--

[Berserker]

I like fine weapons, but I also like to buy guns. I have been thinking twice, thinking should I save it and put toward the gun I really want. But none of my selections are really that expensive. I'd rather have a S&W then a Taurus, but don't rule one out.

[olderthandirt]

How much will it be shot? If you only want some home protection buy a high point. {There pretty damn reliable] but if you want to put a 1000 rds down the tube spend a little more.

A very wise and knowledgable man that I respect greatly gave me this advice... Forget quanity and but quality. Been trying to follow his advice and get rid of some of the Rossi's and some other off brands

[Berserker]

Few months ago, you said you have had lots of fun shooting cheap guns. But ya I know what you mean. Rugers are 2nd rate to S&W. But I still consider Rugers. Some Taurus were floating around, and tell myself maybe I should put the money to something better. That being said I have never fired a Taurus.


Though if it is going to be a truck gun, or left some place it could get stolen, mid price isn't made. I bought my Mosin Nagant, cause I was living in a place with lots of wildfie roaming around, and I wanted something I didn't care about the finish. So it was a garage gun. $100. Actually the gun has grown on me.

[olderthandirt]

I stand by my statememt about shooting hundreds and in a few cases thousands of rds through cheap guns. Rossi, Llama, Hi Point all go boom when ya pull the trigger.
Now I'm to the point I don't need anymore "cheaper" guns. If I have my choice between a Sig or colt at $1500 or 4 of the cheaper guns I'm spending my money on the colt or sig.

I've never left a gun anywhere I couldn't get to it, so know need for a POS